First question,haaha um, Ihave to have all the music memorized for each round and the preliminary round?ok, 2nd my first ORIGINAL plan was to do for the snd and third rounds well, what the heck ill teel you the whole original program:preliminary round:first movement bethoven sonata op 2,chopin etude .op.10 no. 12.2and 3 rounds:chopin etude op 10 no.12, bach two part invention,clair delune,mozart sonata first movement k.278,chopin nocturne ( required)chopin waltz in f major "grand waltz",chopin mazurka op67 in c. for this i had it equal to a little bit over 20 min.( in round two and three i will most likely reapeat the chopin etude and bettoven first movement sonata).What do you think on my idea of maybe replacing something with the mozart fantasy in dminor?Well, in regards to the group b and a confusion , i have to have a mendelson songs without words and the nocturn i chose from the boldface chopin category?
ps. WHat do you think of the piano concerto movement is this ok? Last question, at least for now, what are the p & fs hee i am pathetic but, i got to learn theses things.!
I've got a real problem here!
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by Goldberg » 12 Apr 2005, 23:21
I really hate to be offensive, so please take this as kindly as possible: if you do not know what Bach's P&F's are, I really don't think you're ready to compete in such a serious competition. You have to appreciate the level of experience of those around you will be. I've been to lesser competitions before (only two, but still...) and haven't really done well at either one--I can only *imagine* what it would be like at a national competition sponsored by Oberlin, even though it's not the most prestigious one out there. I would recommend getting in touch with a teacher who has "connections" in your area and trying to find some smaller competitions.
Yes, I know that was your original plan, posted in another thread, but my revised advice for you with regards to that topic is to go to local piano stores, sheet music stores, whatever, and find out who's who and what's what as far as local competitions are. Have you done that yet? I really think it would be wise.
Go ahead, though, and send off the tape and see what happens. I won't try to completely discourage you, and expect you to take my word alone. In fact, it would be better if you tried it personally to see the competition atmosphere for yourself--it isn't all that great, you know. In fact, I usually despise competitions myself...I'd rather play recitals. I think I said that already..
A P&F is a "Prelude and Fugue" from Bach's Well Tempered Klavier (WTK or WTC). You've no doubt heard of those, but what I meant by my first comment is that if you haven't played any at all and aren't familiar enough to recognise the abbreviation, I can take that as a loose sign that perhaps this competition is a little too intense for your repertoire. How old are you? If you're under 18, there's always next year.
Besides, you can't play a concerto movement in this competition. I'm quite sure it's supposed to be all solo, and you *have* to play for at least 40 minutes if you want to even be considered at all. The Fantasy in D minor is fine, if you want to do it; replace the Two Part Invention with that, and find a Bach P&F!
Just remember, playing in competitions doesn't make you a good pianist. It just makes you an experienced and, if you win, credible pianist (although in my experiences competition pianists are typically dull and standard). It's true that a lot of famous pianists broke into the recital circuits from winning big competitions, but it's also true that many did no such thing. If you really have true talent, you don't have to rely on competitions to succeed as an artist.
Your pieces are good pieces, all of them, but not entirely the material you need to fight at Oberlin.
Yes, I know that was your original plan, posted in another thread, but my revised advice for you with regards to that topic is to go to local piano stores, sheet music stores, whatever, and find out who's who and what's what as far as local competitions are. Have you done that yet? I really think it would be wise.
Go ahead, though, and send off the tape and see what happens. I won't try to completely discourage you, and expect you to take my word alone. In fact, it would be better if you tried it personally to see the competition atmosphere for yourself--it isn't all that great, you know. In fact, I usually despise competitions myself...I'd rather play recitals. I think I said that already..
A P&F is a "Prelude and Fugue" from Bach's Well Tempered Klavier (WTK or WTC). You've no doubt heard of those, but what I meant by my first comment is that if you haven't played any at all and aren't familiar enough to recognise the abbreviation, I can take that as a loose sign that perhaps this competition is a little too intense for your repertoire. How old are you? If you're under 18, there's always next year.
Besides, you can't play a concerto movement in this competition. I'm quite sure it's supposed to be all solo, and you *have* to play for at least 40 minutes if you want to even be considered at all. The Fantasy in D minor is fine, if you want to do it; replace the Two Part Invention with that, and find a Bach P&F!
Just remember, playing in competitions doesn't make you a good pianist. It just makes you an experienced and, if you win, credible pianist (although in my experiences competition pianists are typically dull and standard). It's true that a lot of famous pianists broke into the recital circuits from winning big competitions, but it's also true that many did no such thing. If you really have true talent, you don't have to rely on competitions to succeed as an artist.
Your pieces are good pieces, all of them, but not entirely the material you need to fight at Oberlin.
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by tony » 12 Apr 2005, 23:23
Ithink the consolation would be no.5.tony wrote:HEY, YOU KNOW what, i was going over he repotoire and decided to adda liszt piece not a hr or etude but a consolation! how does that sound everyone ,goldberg?
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by tony » 12 Apr 2005, 23:35
well,I have come to a decision-Iwill not be joining the competition at oberlin this year.Iwill try next year and prepare better,( I had just found out about this competition yesterday so It was realy not my fault)Iwould like to thank Goldberg for giving me good advice and goldberg Iwill work on some pieces for it ,but ones i like too,lol. p.s goldberg where do you live if its in new jersey then notify me of any local competitions you knoq of thanks!
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by Goldberg » 13 Apr 2005, 19:39
Probably next year at the same time. I'd recommend looking into more advanced pieces and working at mastering them over the next 12 months, not only for the Oberlin competition but also for any other comps you know of.
And, heck, I still want to know why you're so interested in competitions. Why not just set your mind on playing as many recitals as possible (within reason)? Recitals encourage a much more musical atmosphere, proper for piano performances...
I don't live in New Jersey, btw, I live in Texas...
And, heck, I still want to know why you're so interested in competitions. Why not just set your mind on playing as many recitals as possible (within reason)? Recitals encourage a much more musical atmosphere, proper for piano performances...
I don't live in New Jersey, btw, I live in Texas...
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You know, some people just have natural talents-like some people play the piano but aren't very tall.
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by tony » 13 Apr 2005, 22:01
oo wow so this would be a plane ride for you anyways,lol .well, recitals arwent very easy for me to come by, only ones are school concerts but, realy Iwant to be a concert pianist and this is why Iam so intebsely interested ,I have to think about theses things.But, please if you here of any other piano competitions even not far from you niotify me thanks! p.s Iam starting to learn one of the hungarian rapsodies this is good! lol
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by Goldberg » 13 Apr 2005, 22:18
Which one?
Also, you don't really "come by" recitals like you do competitions. You MAKE (or, more properly, "give") recitals. Use your imagination. You can arrange to play in retirement homes (I've done it a few times, it's actually a lot of fun, and very relaxed), hospitals, rehab centers, school auditoriums, houses, etc. And you don't even have to do it alone; if you don't have enough repertoire, invite a friend or two and take turns at the piano.
As you build up your experience, you'll be able to do more and more recitals and learn more and more appropriate pieces.
That, to me, is what it is to be a professional pianist, assuming that eventually you'll start playing "real" recitals in, well as I mentioned, auditoriums and later concert halls. It takes practice, mate, and competitions aren't the only things that guarantee practice, nor talent for that matter. All they do is give you a name to put on your resume, and that's really only if you place (which isn't bloody likely considering that most of these comps are politically wired one way or another). I hear that they aren't even really that important when considering college applications and what have you.
People want to hear GOOD pianists, not just someone who has played in several competitions and has happened to get honorary mentions or maybe a medal in one or two. Show 'em what you've got, because your playing is really what counts.
Just seize whatever opportunity you have to perform, and don't worry about the cutthroats at Oberlin quite yet (it's actually more of the teachers than the students...).
Also, you don't really "come by" recitals like you do competitions. You MAKE (or, more properly, "give") recitals. Use your imagination. You can arrange to play in retirement homes (I've done it a few times, it's actually a lot of fun, and very relaxed), hospitals, rehab centers, school auditoriums, houses, etc. And you don't even have to do it alone; if you don't have enough repertoire, invite a friend or two and take turns at the piano.
As you build up your experience, you'll be able to do more and more recitals and learn more and more appropriate pieces.
That, to me, is what it is to be a professional pianist, assuming that eventually you'll start playing "real" recitals in, well as I mentioned, auditoriums and later concert halls. It takes practice, mate, and competitions aren't the only things that guarantee practice, nor talent for that matter. All they do is give you a name to put on your resume, and that's really only if you place (which isn't bloody likely considering that most of these comps are politically wired one way or another). I hear that they aren't even really that important when considering college applications and what have you.
People want to hear GOOD pianists, not just someone who has played in several competitions and has happened to get honorary mentions or maybe a medal in one or two. Show 'em what you've got, because your playing is really what counts.
Just seize whatever opportunity you have to perform, and don't worry about the cutthroats at Oberlin quite yet (it's actually more of the teachers than the students...).
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by tony » 14 Apr 2005, 00:01
okm, well thanks for the advice I agree ,my principle of the school will might be arranging an all piano recital at a church where near i currently live now.guess who the pianist is haaaaaaaaaa ME! YEP YOU GUESSED,LOL!
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by citrine_peridot » 15 Apr 2005, 18:59
Goldberg, so you are not going to participate in the competition?
Actually i didn't even think of going when i got to know that: first, i will never pay to get in a comp like that unless i know there is a chance of winning(which there is non at this moment) second, school, testings~~~~~~~~~what else.
btw, i didn't know that you are so patient ~~~~~~~~~and nice. If it's me, I just throw something sarcastic and RUN!!!!!!(you know what i am talking about, right?)
Actually i didn't even think of going when i got to know that: first, i will never pay to get in a comp like that unless i know there is a chance of winning(which there is non at this moment) second, school, testings~~~~~~~~~what else.
btw, i didn't know that you are so patient ~~~~~~~~~and nice. If it's me, I just throw something sarcastic and RUN!!!!!!(you know what i am talking about, right?)
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by Goldberg » 15 Apr 2005, 19:11
Oh, yeah, I think you've done that to me a few times heh.
Actually, I see no reason in posting on forums unless I'm going to be helpful or marginally funny, or rather if there is a potential for me to be helpful or marginally funny. A potential which is rarely realised, heh.
But as far as nice goes, I dunno. I can be rather nasty when I have a reason to be, but I *am* extraordinarily patient. People piss me off--a lot--when they are incompetent, lazy, arrogant, ignorant, indifferent, and so forth. I have no problems with someone who is curious and just wants information from me. I used to ask a ton of questions like tony has...
In "real life" I have a habit--good or bad--of being impusively sarcastic, but I usually mean it for humour...which, sadly, not many people seem to understand.
Anyway, no, I'm not going to do the competition. Like I said, I would have made it had I not underestimated my schoolwork for this month. I didn't realise that I'd have about 6 tests and 3 long papers as well as about 7 short ones to write by the first week of May, which is also when I have to have the pieces ready for the recital. As I told tony, at least now we know about the Oberlin thing so if we want to we can prepare pieces all year and submit something more credible next year. At least the idea of submitting a tape got me practicing again.
Actually, I see no reason in posting on forums unless I'm going to be helpful or marginally funny, or rather if there is a potential for me to be helpful or marginally funny. A potential which is rarely realised, heh.
But as far as nice goes, I dunno. I can be rather nasty when I have a reason to be, but I *am* extraordinarily patient. People piss me off--a lot--when they are incompetent, lazy, arrogant, ignorant, indifferent, and so forth. I have no problems with someone who is curious and just wants information from me. I used to ask a ton of questions like tony has...
In "real life" I have a habit--good or bad--of being impusively sarcastic, but I usually mean it for humour...which, sadly, not many people seem to understand.
Anyway, no, I'm not going to do the competition. Like I said, I would have made it had I not underestimated my schoolwork for this month. I didn't realise that I'd have about 6 tests and 3 long papers as well as about 7 short ones to write by the first week of May, which is also when I have to have the pieces ready for the recital. As I told tony, at least now we know about the Oberlin thing so if we want to we can prepare pieces all year and submit something more credible next year. At least the idea of submitting a tape got me practicing again.
One should either be a work of art, or wear a work of art.
-Oscar Wilde
You know, some people just have natural talents-like some people play the piano but aren't very tall.
-Noodle pirate
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-Noodle pirate
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by citrine_peridot » 15 Apr 2005, 20:25
since you like provide information, would you kindly list the piano stores in downtown worth visiting(with the interception plz)? i think i would be spending plenty of time there during summer,(6 out of 7 days a week) for Rice and MD Anderson stuff, as you see, my summer is screwed. *sigh*
( btw,maybe i'm closer to downtown than you are, it's just about 15-20 min drive)
( btw,maybe i'm closer to downtown than you are, it's just about 15-20 min drive)
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